How tall are you anyway?

Five foot.

Five even?

Yep.

And how much do you weigh?

One, well I jump around but I'm like right around 108.

Do you work out?

Um, sometimes.

What do you do for workouts?

Um, just like the classics, that's how I like to say it.

We're like, just like squats.

You do squats?

Yeah, I just do like squats, work out like my quads.

How much can you squat?

Um, I think the most I've squatted is like 110.

Oh, that's pretty good.

Yeah, I love doing the seated leg press.

Oh yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah, I could definitely do a lot more on that.

I'm more around like 160.

I used to do track in high school.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

What was your, I think?

Um, I did shorts but I did a lot of long distance and then I also did like long jump, so.

Oh, I know.

That's pretty cool considering you're so short.

Yeah.

Those girls are like 6 feet tall.

Well, like in 8th grade, I was 5'2 and I wore a size 8 in shoes.

And then I shrunk and then.

Let me see your feet.

You got big old feet?

No, they're small.

No?

Just wear a size 7.

Small?

Yeah.

And all of a sudden I shrunk and then my feet got smaller.

I don't know what happened.

Really?

It just like, yeah.

So what did you, what kind of girl were you in high school?

Like what crowd did you hang out with?

Um, I was very quiet, very shy, kept to myself.

I only had like two, maybe three friends.

Wow, were you like the nerdy group?

Were you with the jocks or what did you?

I was like, I feel like I was like the in-between, like we weren't nerdy but we were like, everyone

else thought we were nerdy except for the nerdy kids.

Did the nerdy kids think you were the cool kids or something?

They thought we were like the, they didn't think we were cool but they didn't like, yeah.

The nerdy kids didn't care about us.

That's how I was.

When did you lose your virginity?

I was 13 turning 14.

That's a young age.

Yeah, I snuck out of my room.

So who was it with?

Was it with my boyfriend?

Yeah, it was with my boyfriend.

Like a steady?

How long were you dating him?

Uh, we dated on and off for a couple years.

Okay.

Yeah.

Do you remember the, do you remember that night?

What happened?

Um, I was super nervous because my parents were like very, like they wanted me to stay

home, like I was not allowed to have a cell phone so I was also sneaking a cell phone

to talk to him and yeah.

So it wasn't your cell phone?

Uh, no.

He had given it to me.

Just to communicate with you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, because young, 13 is kind of young for that.

Yeah, it is.

So you guys were, did you know you were going to fuck that night?

Um, I assumed it, yeah.

I mean, I was sneaking out so.

You never snuck out before?

No.

That was my first time.

My stepmom is one of those, like she knows everything.

Yeah.

You know?

And like, I mean, that's just how moms are.

They know everything going on.

And I was like, oh fuck, like she's going to find out.

But I still did it.

Did you sneak out the window?

Yep.

Snuck out of my bedroom window.

It was quite a ways down, but.

Was it a second story?

No.

So it was one story, but we were in a mobile home and our, we had just taken the deck out.

Oh yeah.

So yeah.

Yeah.

So.

Stepping out of the way to write it.

Nope.

And there was this like very unstable table down below.

So like I stepped on that, but I was like, if this fucking breaks, I'm going to be dead.

Everyone's going to wake up.

Everyone's going to know.

And yeah, I know I successfully did it.

And they didn't find out until like three times of me sneaking out.

And then they caught you?

Yeah.

And then they caught me because I fucked up.

So I used to take my phone with me to school every day.

Right.

But I fucked up and I left it like underneath my bed.

And she was helping me out one day to like change my sheets and she found it.

Yeah.

And I was so fucked.

I was like, oh my fucking God.

Couldn't you say it wasn't yours?

It had my pictures all over it.

I had so many pictures.

You had fucked up pictures?

So many.

Like nudes and stuff?

Yeah.

It was bad.

Kids are getting in trouble for that now.

Yeah.

Well, that sucks.

So where was your boyfriend meeting you?

Did he drive?

So how old was he?

He was two years older than me.

Well, more like a year and a half.

Okay.

So he just had his beginners or something?

No.

So like I was a freshman and he was a sophomore going into his junior year, I want to say.

He picked you up out front or close?

Yeah.

So like we lived in a cul-de-sac like way up on a hill.

And so he just like waited down below like with the lights off and shit.

Did he flash the lights when he saw you coming?

Like give you the whole?

No.

No?

No, none of that.

Well, he texted me.

You know, he said that he was there and I was like, okay, I'll be down there.

Like I was like, I don't know how long it's going to take me.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So you had an idea you guys were going to fuck that night?

Yeah.

Had you talked about it prior to that?

Um, I mean a little bit.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, kids when they get all excited about shit.

But yeah, you know, like.

Okay.

So now what happened once you like once you guys obviously went and parked somewhere?

Yeah.

So do you remember the details?

Yeah, it was super awkward because it was my first time and like we were just he had

like a pickup truck.

And so we were just like in the back of the cab.

It was all like fucking cramped and shit.

It was weird.

Okay.

Yeah.

And then like I like we didn't even I don't even think we fucked that long, honestly,

but it wasn't that great to remember it honestly.

Yeah.

Does he know it sucked?

Um, yeah, we had we talked about that.

Was it was it his first time too?

No, it wasn't.

So whose fault was it for fucking that up?

Was it just your lack of experience or his?

Um, I think it was just like maybe like a connection thing and then like the uncomfortability

and being a cramped space and then like my nerves were being so high because I was like

fuck.

It's like I'm going to get caught.

I don't think I don't think a lot of people enjoy their first experience.

Probably not.

I don't think they do.

I don't I don't think I've heard anyone tell me about an experience in a truck.

You're cramped.

You can't move.

It's all cramped.

Stuck to the seats.

Yeah.

So uncomfortable.

Did you suck his dick that night?

No, I actually didn't the first time.

Were you riding him or was he on top of you?

Um, I was on him.

Yeah.

Probably the vehicle that might be the best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would assume so.

Did he come inside you?

Um, no.

Did he come at all?

Yeah, he did.

Yeah.

That's why it was so quick.

Yeah.

Maybe it's just because you were super tight.

Maybe.

I would hope so.

I mean, first time virgin.

Tiny.

Right.

So what was the first time you gave him?

I think it was the third time that I snuck out.

The third time that I snuck out is when I finally did it.

I like, I don't know.

I was like, OK, yeah, let's fuck.

But I'm too scared to suck your dick.

I don't know.

Did he ask for it?

Yeah, he did.

And you said no?

I was just like weird about it.

I don't know.

You know, being like that weird, quiet, shy girl at school, it was like still like that

when I was around him.

So.

Yeah, because normally it goes in stages where like you get a hand job and then you get a

blow job and then you fuck, you kind of.

Right.

Yeah.

It was like the build up.

Yeah.

No, there really wasn't any of that.

I was just awkward.

Let's just fuck.

It was so fucking awkward.

I'll suck your dick the third time.

Right.

So when you sucked his dick, when you finally gave him head, did he come in your mouth?

No.

No?

No.

Where'd he come?

Um, I think, so I sucked his dick, we fucked, and then he just pulled out.

And like, I think he like came on me somewhere.

That's pretty much it.

And then I got caught.

You got busted with the phone?

Yeah.

And when that was the end of that, did you, did you guys, did you guys see each other

after?

Um, no.

We weren't.

Like, everyone at school knew, because we lived in a very, very small town.

Okay.

So the California, right?

Was it California?

Yeah.

Everybody knew everybody.

And so my entire school knew, all the teachers knew.

Like, everyone that lived in the town knew we weren't allowed to be around each other.

None of that.

They didn't know you fucked though, did they?

Um, my parents assumed that we did based off of what was on my phone.

Were you, were you taking pictures that night?

No.

No?

No, so I had left my phone up there in my room when I left.

Oh.

But yeah, they assumed.

So what kind of pictures were they?

Um, just like regular news, like my boobs.

That you were sending to him?

Yeah.

Just to him.

Yep.

Just to him.

I was loyal.

Oh, that's awful.

Were you heartbroken when you got caught?

Um, I was terrified.

I thought I was going to die.

I thought my parents were going to kill me.

I was so scared.

If I was your boyfriend, I would have just got you on the phone.

I would have just sat here.

No.

Hide this one.

Well, he was screwed too, because then like my parents told his, and it was just, yeah.

Just downhill.

Mm-hmm.

Downhill was cool.

You can't imagine getting in much trouble for the morning kid, you know?

Right.

Dad would probably be proud.

And she's like, oh, there you go.

Do you remember the first time you swallowed?

Um, I didn't swallow until my second boyfriend that I did stuff with.

And that was at like 16, 17.

We got together at 17.

17?

Yeah.

That's not too bad.

That's quite a stretch though.

Yeah.

You didn't swallow for like four years?

Three or four years?

No.

Wow.

No, because like after him, after the first guy, I didn't, I wasn't really in any relationships

at that point.

I just kind of tried to focus on like school and then had a bunch of like fucked up family

shit going on.

And then I got with my next guy and we fucked behind a police station in the parking lot.

Why behind a police station?

Well, okay, so it was like here was the police station, here was the library, and I was supposed

to be at the library doing my online psychology courses.

Okay.

And it was like middle of the summer and we were horny.

So we wanted to fuck.

We had nowhere else to fuck.

So we went out to the parking lot.

There was like this brick wall that like went like this in here and the police station was

here.

And so we like went in the corner.

It was like kind of secluded, but you could fucking see.

Oh, so you weren't even in a car?

No.

You literally fucking behind the police station.

Did that turn you on?

Um, yes, because it was like very nerve wracking.

So like it made the buildup of everything just like feel so much better.

Were you able to relax though?

Um, after like the first couple of minutes.

Yeah.

How'd you fuck doggies now?

No standing like facing each other.

How'd you do that?

Was the couple holding you?

No, like I had like one leg up.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

It was awkward.

Cause like it's kind of kind of a weird angle.

Yeah.

Especially cause he's only like a couple inches taller than me.

Oh, yeah.

So it was weird.

He's got like thrust.

He's got my hamstring cramped.

Yeah.

Yeah, for real.

I think that would work if you got a curved up dick.

That would work good for that position.

Probably.

I've seen videos of people like standing face to face with no leg up and fucking like that.

Oh.

Yeah, fucking just standing like belly to belly standing up.

Wow.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Which is kind of weird cause the dick's going like straight.

It's not going up.

Right?

It's like where's that fucking?

Yeah, where's it going?

It's going to her ass.

Oh my god.

But yeah, so that was the first time that I swelled in.

Cause like we had started fucking and then, well first we started fucking with a condom

on.

And then that didn't feel good so we took the condom off.

And then we kept fucking.

And then I sucked his dick and then he came in my mouth.

And then my dad showed up.

Cause he came to pick me up from the library.

And we were like, oh shit.

Did you smell like cock and balls?

I assume so.

Yeah.

I assume so.

You gotta make sure you clean it up a lot.

Yeah.

Like my boyfriend, he like, we saw my dad walk into the library.

So my boyfriend like ran into the library after.

He was going to pick you up?

Yeah.

And so he was like, luckily the bathrooms were before you like fully entered the library.

Oh.

So he ran in acting like I was in the bathroom.

In the bathroom.

Yeah.

So I went in the bathroom and then my dad walked out.

He was already in there.

Okay.

That was clever.

That was pretty smart.

So it ended up working out.

We didn't get caught until this day.

My dad doesn't know.

So unless he's seen one of these videos.

What's his name?

Wow.

We're going to call him on right now.

He's fucked.

Oh my gosh.

So how did you handle that cum?

I would say I handled it pretty well.

Did you know you were going to swallow or did it just kind of creep up on you?

It just kind of creeped up on me.

There was no warning?

No.

No, not really.

Did you give a good head?

Do you think you gave a good, I mean, obviously enough making cum.

I would think so.

Yeah.

Did you have the hand going and everything?

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah?

Okay.

I'm very attentive with the hand on the dick.

And then the hand on the balls, like even on the first time, I don't know.

I just like knew.

You knew how to create the balls and do that?

Yeah.

I was one of those people that watched porn to learn.

Yeah.

Like there were times that I watched it and I was like, oh, this is great.

and other times I was like, huh,

okay, I'm gonna learn some shit from this.

So when you were watching porn back then,

were you masturbating to it,

or you just like, that was like a tutorial for it?

Was it like a training session?

At first, so it started with me just like masturbating to it,

and then when I actually started getting

like physically sexual, right,

then that's when it became more of like a tutorial.

Cause I was just like, okay,

I gotta get really good at this, you know?

Like, I wanna please the person I'm with.

So what was your go-to type of porn back then?

Were you watching blowjobs, or fucking, or?

Mixed up both, but I always like seeing the step mommy

and step son shit, I don't know,

like mommy and son is just hot.

That's a big thing right now.

Yeah.

But they gotta do the step.

It was a big thing for me when I was a kid.

They have to put the step in there.

Right.

Yeah, that's a big, that's a big niche.

Yeah, it is.

Have you ever had a real experience like that?

No.

No, never?

No.

And then when I think about it,

cause I have a step mom, I'm like, ugh.

Like, love my step mom, love my step mom.

Not like that.

So what is it about that turn, John?

You know what, I'm not sure.

I don't know if it's like the authority,

you know, like with it being like the mom figure

with the son, but it's just like, I don't know.

Oh, so you watch, you watch the step mom and the son

as opposed to the step dad, like the hot step dad

and the daughter.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

I see.

Yeah, that's interesting.

It's just, it's pleasuring.

So what do you like to do in bed?

What's your favorite thing?

I love being able to cuddle and then like,

just like a sneak, you know what I mean?

Like when you're cuddling and then you just like pops it in

and you're like, oh, okay.

We call it the struggle snuggle.

The struggle snuggle, yeah.

When you don't really want to fuck,

you just want to be held and.

And then it just happened.

10 minutes later, a guy's like, okay,

I'm done with the snuggling part.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is probably one of my favorites.

And then always moving into missionary.

Cause I just love being able to see the guy's eyes and.

Yeah.

It's very personal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause doggies so like impersonal.

It is.

That's why I always like try to like completely like

turn around, which I feel like looks weird.

Spin your head around, spin your look.

Yeah.

Like, wait, you have to see a little titty.

Something and get a side boob shot or something.

Right.

What's your, what's your least favorite thing to do?

Oh, hmm.

Like you don't do anal, right?

Well, yeah, I don't do anal.

So I would say that's my least favorite.

Do you ever, do you let a guy play with your butt?

Yeah.

Have you ever put like a butt plug in?

No, I've tried.

My ex and I tried to do anal.

I cried.

So I'm a little bitch when it comes to my ass.

I think, you know, like almost right away.

Like if it's really painful, extremely painful,

you're probably never gonna like it.

Right.

You know what I mean?

I think girls that do it, I don't think they,

they experience pain.

It might be like a little bit discomfort.

Right.

And I feel like that's how it should be.

Yeah.

It was kind of like, okay, this is weird

and I'm nervous and stuff like that, but not,

fuck that.

I'm not like, yeah, you'll probably never like it.

Yeah, like he like started to stick it in.

And I want to say like, he definitely got more

than just the tip in.

And I just like clenched my cheeks

and I like threw myself forward.

I was like, no, like, no, I'm not doing this.

It was, it was bad, but.

What about, so have you ever had a butt plug in?

No, but you know, I do have like my anal kits and stuff.

And I did recently get like this really nice,

like anal butt plug for like starters.

And it's like a really nice silicone.

So, and it's small, like really small.

So I'm like, maybe I'll try it.

Cause I mean, like that was a couple of years ago

that I had that experience with my ex, you know?

And I feel like just over time, you know,

like things change, you know?

So I'm like, maybe now might be the time.

Sometimes if they're too small, they'll pop.

You know what I mean?

Like, especially if you're fucking, you know,

you have to be the best size to stay in.

Yeah.

Would you try that today?

A little honey butt plug?

I feel like I need to be in the comforts of my own home.

Yeah, with a creepy bald dude.

Yeah.

I get it, yeah.

Probably already freaked out enough as it is.

Oh no.

So you have to be,

you have to be like super horny for that.

Like, what if you were like really, really horny?

Would you?

I feel, I would have to be really, I don't know.

Or drunk.

High and horny.

High and horny?

High and horny.

So you relax more when you do it.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

Cause then I'm more in my zen mode.

Oh yeah.

You know, just like, just breathe.

I think that's, yeah.

I don't know, some girls like it.

Like if you put a butt plug in your ass

and you fuck white, that was a plug in your ass.

Yeah.

It feels good for the guy too,

cause the guy can feel it.

Oh really?

Especially in Michigan,

cause you can feel it on the other side of your dick.

You can feel it, the pressure.

Huh.

I bet that's a very interesting feeling.

I never thought about that.

But I've had girls here who put butt plugs in their ass.

They couldn't even fuck, they made their pussy so tight,

guys couldn't even fuck them,

so they had to pull a butt plug out.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's something else.

Yeah.

That's, oh, okay.

Wow.

What was the last time you masturbated?

Last night, actually.

Really?

How late?

Well, it was super late.

While we were texting?

It was...

Like, we were texting around 11.

It was like around 10.30.

Wait, were you sexting me to masturbate or something?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So was it at before that or after that?

It was before.

Oh, before that.

Yeah.

And what'd you, how'd you do it?

Hitachi.

I got one here.

Do you wanna show me how you did it?

Just like...

No, I mean, you like really, really wanna show me.

I'll show you.

Okay.

Let me move the camera.